18:01:20 <kohsuke> #startmeeting 18:01:20 <robobutler> Let the Jenkins meeting commence! 18:01:44 <kohsuke> #chair abayer hare_brain rtyler danielbeck orrc 18:01:44 <robobutler> Current chairs: abayer danielbeck hare_brain kohsuke orrc rtyler 18:01:50 <kohsuke> that should cover enough peopl 18:02:02 <kohsuke> #topic recap of actions 18:02:19 <kohsuke> I've missed two previous ones, let's see... 18:02:25 <KostyaSha> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda 18:02:44 <danielbeck> http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2015/jenkins.2015-05-27-18.19.html 18:03:12 <danielbeck> orrc and I changed UC generation as discussed 18:03:16 <KostyaSha> orrc, confluence has meeting notes plugin that can automatically create jira issues AFAIR 18:03:18 <kohsuke> Yay 18:03:22 <danielbeck> on June 1st 18:03:47 <danielbeck> So now wiki URLs are mandatory, with previously existing plugins pointing to a wiki page that says "this plugin has no wiki page" 18:03:57 <danielbeck> To be reviewed in a few months 18:04:02 <kohsuke> #topic Let's fix SPoFs 18:04:25 <kohsuke> orrc: so I'm happy to report that INFRA-75 is done like just 3 minutes ago 18:04:27 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-75:Move backend-crawler to ci.jenkins-ci.org (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-75 18:04:49 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, /o/ 18:04:56 <rtyler> \o/ 18:05:22 <kohsuke> The other list of SPoFs are here: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-75?jql=project%20%3D%20INFRA%20AND%20component%20%3D%20spof%20ORDER%20BY%20updated%20DESC%2C%20priority%20DESC%2C%20created%20ASC 18:05:50 <KostyaSha> i think we need component called "kohsuke" under jira :D 18:06:24 <orrc> kohsuke: great :) 18:06:33 <kohsuke> INFRA-244 and INFRA-249 looks like that's on me 18:06:35 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-244:Kohsuke is SPoF for update center root CA private key (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-244 18:06:37 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-249:Kohsuke might be the only one who can decrypt statistics data (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-249 18:06:39 <kohsuke> INFRA-180 is something another person can help 18:06:41 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-180:Extension point list missing core (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-180 18:06:48 <kohsuke> INFRA-243 is rtyler? 18:06:50 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-243:jenkins-ci.org domain name still appears to be registered under Tyler's personal account (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-243 18:07:10 <kohsuke> Ig guess someone needs to contact SPI to work out the logistics of the transfer 18:07:10 <danielbeck> kohsuke I can do INFRA-180 if you point me to the generator/migrate to JonJ 18:07:30 <kohsuke> danielbeck: sounds good 18:08:26 <kohsuke> UC root CA private key: I guess I'm going to share that with the board? 18:08:48 <kohsuke> And ditto for the key in INFRA-249 18:08:51 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-249:Kohsuke might be the only one who can decrypt statistics data (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-249 18:08:52 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, should it be periodically re-generated? 18:09:19 <kohsuke> root key cannot be easily regenerated 18:09:38 <kohsuke> UC key, we should 18:09:57 <danielbeck> Doesn't that expire all the time anyway? 18:10:00 <kohsuke> But that feels like a separate task 18:10:29 <kohsuke> cert expires all the time, but I don't think I rotate keys 18:11:25 <kohsuke> Should we move on to the next topic? 18:11:33 <kohsuke> Unless there are more SPoFs we should talk about? 18:12:00 <kohsuke> #topic Using labels for pull requests to core 18:12:08 <ogondza> kohsuke: is it this job https://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/infra_extension-indexer/? 18:12:23 <kohsuke> Right, I think so 18:13:09 <danielbeck> So far we've renamed PRs to indicate they still need some work, like [WIP] [FIX JENKINS-12345]. The idea now is to use labels instead. 18:13:11 <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-12345:Publishing Selenium report blocks concurrent builds (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-12345 18:13:20 <danielbeck> thanks jenkins-admin 18:13:47 <kohsuke> I guess we'll run some bulk process to create labels in all repos? 18:13:53 <KostyaSha> no 18:14:02 <danielbeck> kohsuke jenkinsci/jenkins for now I think 18:14:04 <KostyaSha> repos already has labels that they need 18:14:10 <KostyaSha> *plugins 18:14:18 <danielbeck> plugin repos sometimes already use them 18:14:25 <danielbeck> so we'd just mess with what works there 18:14:40 <kohsuke> Sounds like a good idea to me 18:14:42 <danielbeck> So a "work-in-progress" label would make sense, possibly also "regression" 18:14:55 <KostyaSha> imho just WIP should be enough 18:15:25 <KostyaSha> danielbeck, also "UI" 18:15:35 <danielbeck> So... start with WIP for now, and review in a few weeks? 18:15:40 <ogondza> we can agree on particular labels and their definition later and put it on wiki 18:15:46 <kohsuke> Not sure how to create labels 18:15:56 <KostyaSha> ogondza, you can later just rename or remove useless labels 18:16:06 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, repo -> settings -> labels 18:16:12 <danielbeck> kohsuke https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/labels 18:16:26 <ogondza> KostyaSha: my point is it is necessary to agree on fixed set of labels now 18:16:33 <ogondza> *it is _not_ 18:16:46 <kohsuke> OK, I created work-in-progress 18:17:12 <KostyaSha> ogondza, imho thinking a lot about labels is waste of time, create some minimal set and later it will be clear what else is needed 18:17:27 <danielbeck> kohsuke I can go through existing PRs later and fix them accordingly 18:17:29 <kohsuke> I guess danielbeck wants "regression" as they are more important 18:17:38 <kohsuke> or more urgent/timely 18:17:48 <danielbeck> Yes. Regression fixes should be preferred. 18:18:04 <oleg-nenashev> We have a set of labels in many repos. Let's add "work-in-progress" and "regression" 18:18:05 <danielbeck> Well, 'regression-fix' I guess would be more appropriate 18:18:13 <KostyaSha> long labels (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 18:18:38 <danielbeck> KostyaSha Try Objective-C development :-) 18:18:45 <kohsuke> KostyaSha: I think it's OK, and hopefully more understandable to people 18:18:52 <kohsuke> Or Win32 APIs 18:19:06 <KostyaSha> win api is another storry 18:19:18 <kohsuke> I'm going to create 'regression-fix' 18:19:28 <danielbeck> :+1: 18:19:56 <kohsuke> let's see how they'll turn out 18:20:02 <kohsuke> I hope people won't put it on every bug fix 18:20:05 <danielbeck> red, THANK YOU 18:20:11 <kohsuke> ... which would probably defeat the purpose for danielbeck 18:20:12 <KostyaSha> what is "regression-fix"? 18:20:25 <KostyaSha> have you ever seen "regression not fix" PRs? 18:20:33 <danielbeck> alright, that's it for this topic I think 18:20:42 <oleg-nenashev> kohsuke, danielbeck: Should we allow everybody to set labels? 18:20:47 <KostyaSha> oleg-nenashev, you can't 18:20:49 <danielbeck> KostyaSha PRs that introduce regressions? :-) 18:20:57 <KostyaSha> oleg-nenashev, only team can do it 18:21:04 <kohsuke> KostyaSha: I think the regression-fix label is for stuff like https://github.com/jenkinsci/packaging/pull/3 18:21:07 <oleg-nenashev> Probably jenkinsci/core is enough 18:21:19 <kohsuke> ones that we need to incorporate ASAP 18:21:33 <KostyaSha> danielbeck, my point is that labels should be short and clear ( i have have project that has many labels and they are long and it terrible) 18:21:49 <danielbeck> Well, we have two. 18:21:52 <kohsuke> #agreed jenkinsci/jenkins now has 'work-in-progress' and 'regression-fix'. Will see how theey turn out 18:21:54 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, fix is always fix for some regression... 18:22:00 <danielbeck> It's not like we cannot revise that once necesary 18:22:08 <danielbeck> KostyaSha Or things never worked. 18:22:09 <kohsuke> OK, I'm OK with 'regression' if KostyaSha feels strongly 18:22:26 <KostyaSha> it looks more compact and clear IMHO 18:22:42 <danielbeck> alright, let's go with regression and see what happens 18:22:51 <kohsuke> done 18:22:53 <danielbeck> first guy to get it wrong and we'll change it :P 18:22:55 <KostyaSha> danielbeck, rename works without loosing attachment 18:23:00 <kohsuke> moving on to the next topic... 18:23:11 <danielbeck> KostyaSha Which is why I said we can always change it later. 18:23:29 <KostyaSha> danielbeck, changing after is always harder :( 18:23:36 <kohsuke> #topic "Action items are tracked in JIRA" — can we agree to do this? 18:24:00 <oleg-nenashev> +1 from me 18:24:01 <KostyaSha> as usual my 5 cents 18:24:03 <KostyaSha> [21:03] <KostyaSha> orrc, confluence has meeting notes plugin that can automatically create jira issues AFAIR 18:24:03 <kohsuke> Basically I take a blame for not being dilligent 18:24:15 <KostyaSha> we have confluence and confluence is the right place for such things 18:24:25 <KostyaSha> btw it can replace html based reports 18:24:35 <kohsuke> KostyaSha: can you walk us through how that works? 18:24:46 <oleg-nenashev> BTW we should track our action items somehow. Even JIRA assignments become forgotten sometimes 18:24:49 <kohsuke> (btw, obviously +1 from me) 18:25:24 <KostyaSha> when confluence has integration you just press "meeting items" and appears new page in it you can very fast assign items. AFAIR it can also create new issues in jira 18:25:58 <danielbeck> +1 on MEETING resurrection, -0 on Confluence, because so much appears to be broken there currently I fear this'll break as well. 18:25:59 <KostyaSha> so the main idea separate documentation/text and actions 18:26:08 <kohsuke> I'm mostly happy with the current robobutler 18:26:26 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, yeah it just works, but it like 90's :) 18:26:37 <KostyaSha> and project has place for documentation 18:26:44 <kohsuke> And I don't think there's any people claiming that we should NOT use the MEETING project to track AIs 18:26:55 <KostyaSha> (note i don't insist on killing robobutler, but this can be an option) 18:27:02 <kohsuke> So in my mind I think we just need to make it easier to file AIs, so that the right thing happens automatically 18:27:20 <kohsuke> "automatically" as in people do the right thing 18:27:34 <kohsuke> (not saying we need to automate ticket creation) 18:27:40 <KostyaSha> maybe from this... http://blogs.atlassian.com/2013/04/how-to-run-effective-meetings-with-confluence/ 18:27:55 <KostyaSha> so my suggestion will be to check plugins for jira+confluence 18:28:16 <kohsuke> In my company JIRA there's some projects that have the "Backlog" UI where it's very easy to file tickets 18:28:26 <kohsuke> There's one textbox and you just need to type it and hit ENTER 18:28:37 <kohsuke> I wonder if we can activate that here 18:28:51 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, you can create command to bot 18:29:03 <kohsuke> or that, if somebody is willing to tackle 18:29:20 <kohsuke> jenkins-admin picking up "#action" or something like that 18:29:44 <danielbeck> different user names would be an issue 18:29:52 <danielbeck> for assigning 18:30:04 <kohsuke> in practice only a handful of people get assigned to AIs 18:30:11 <kohsuke> I think we can do something dumb 18:30:15 <KostyaSha> but in the same way we can automate to post everything to confluence and have convenient tree and page called "meetings" 18:31:33 <kohsuke> All right, since there's no one volunteering to get this dashboard in JIRA or modify jenkinsadmin, let's just leave it at "we re-agreed to use the MEETING project to track AIs" 18:32:06 <KostyaSha> kohsuke, well with such ancient confluence... 18:32:11 <KostyaSha> no way 18:32:20 <KostyaSha> either jira either html files 18:32:40 <kohsuke> #info filed this as INFRA-324 18:32:42 <jenkins-admin> INFRA-324:ircbot should auto-file #action into MEETING project (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-324 18:32:57 <kohsuke> Until then, let's try to be more dilligent 18:33:13 <kohsuke> #topic Time to move to servlet 3.0 18:33:32 <kohsuke> Yes indeedy 18:34:37 <kohsuke> Let's see if this can be done before JUC... 18:35:13 <kohsuke> #agreed we should move to servlet 3.0 indeed 18:35:24 <kohsuke> I guess we need to start from upgrading Winstone? 18:35:57 <kohsuke> Not it already supports 3.0 18:36:04 <kohsuke> s/Not/No,/ 18:36:21 <kohsuke> anyway, the details of the conversation probably doesn't belong here 18:36:47 <kohsuke> All right, I think that's it for this week 18:36:50 <KostyaSha> i think you need raise it in maillist 18:36:55 <KostyaSha> afair there was topic about that 18:37:05 <KostyaSha> and some people that wanted to help with it 18:37:10 <kohsuke> great 18:37:22 <kohsuke> do you have a URL to the conversation? 18:37:26 <KostyaSha> no :( 18:37:40 <kohsuke> I'm going to close this meeting and spend the rest of time actually working on AIs 18:37:47 <kohsuke> #topic next meeting 18:37:55 <danielbeck> JUC in two weeks 18:38:06 <kohsuke> oh yes 18:38:16 <kohsuke> BTW do I get to see anyone there? 18:38:25 <KostyaSha> maybe this https://groups.google.com/d/msg/jenkinsci-dev/On4ED4c64d8/hItcdTVxBX0J 18:38:55 <kohsuke> #info the next meeting is in Jul 8th same time 18:39:05 <kohsuke> #info we are skipping one due to a conflict with JUC 18:39:13 <kohsuke> #endmeeting