18:01:56 #startmeeting 18:01:56 Let the Jenkins meeting commence! 18:02:07 #chair rtyler abayer 18:02:07 Current chairs: abayer kohsuke rtyler 18:02:13 and - you know what ? - that time I didn't forgot to join the meeting ;) 18:02:18 hmm, hare_brain isn't here, which is unusual 18:02:24 ndeloof: yes! I noticed that. Yay! 18:02:28 He said he'd be on vacation I believe. 18:02:56 ok 18:02:59 #info https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda 18:03:38 (brb in a few minutes) 18:03:54 so let's see, recap of actions 18:04:01 #topic recap of actions 18:04:19 most of the actions for July 11th is still carried forward 18:04:29 man, I feel so behind 18:05:00 I'm just going to transcode 18:05:09 or maybe we should start using tickets 18:05:34 #action kohsuke to set up JIRA project for project meeting actions 18:05:39 +1 18:06:02 #topic commercial use of Jenkins 18:06:14 #info http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jenkins-ci-speak/id533789857?mt=12 triggered the conversation 18:07:04 #info this is the current guideline: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Document#GovernanceDocument-Trademark 18:07:20 (back) 18:07:36 I've no objection as long the project is tied to jenkins-ci.org in some way and don't work "against" the community 18:08:22 I'd say so long as the name makes it clear that it's not directly from the Jenkins project, it's ok. i.e., CloudBees Jenkins Enterprise etc. 18:08:28 mostly what gov doc is saying with more technical terms 18:09:19 http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/trademark/faq#I_am_a_commercial_entity_a_company that this document refers to seems to imply that in this case this use should seek our approval 18:10:13 I think we are willing to let them use the mark, so maybe we should contact them and ask them to go through the ritual of seeking our approval? 18:10:15 Yeah, that sounds right to me. 18:10:15 "You need to apply for a https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Trademark+Sublicense if you are using the term "Jenkins"" 18:10:24 +1 18:10:38 now how do we contact the publisher? 18:11:07 ok, http://www.mjsoft.com.au/action/about looks like it 18:11:34 #agreed we think this use requires the approval of the project. 18:12:10 #action kohsuke to write to the publisher, point to our document, and ask them to seek our approval of the use of the mark 18:12:40 google gives me 2 others "MJ software" ... 18:12:41 #info the consensus seems to be that we are OK with this use, but we want to make it clear that the use of the mark like this (as per FAQ) requires our approval 18:13:00 I get there by clicking "Jenkins CI Speak support" button of http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jenkins-ci-speak/id533789857?mt=12 18:13:09 so I'm pretty sure that's it 18:13:33 shall we move on? 18:13:37 ok 18:13:42 #topic Demoing theĀ FreedomSponsors JIRA plugin 18:13:44 +1 18:13:54 (the +1 was to moving on) 18:13:57 tonylampada: all yours 18:14:07 Thanks guys 18:14:33 So, we've finished version 1.0 of the JIRA plugin, as advertised 18:14:57 It's now open source on github (as is the freedomsponsors project itself) 18:15:20 please see https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin 18:15:31 so this just adds a link? 18:15:41 That is the github page with a screenshot of the plugin in action 18:15:42 I guess it doesn't show any info about the current status of the sponsorship? 18:16:06 also with installation and dev environment instructions 18:16:10 I ask because http://ambtest.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/2/research-teleport-technology seems to imply that http://ambtest.freedomsponsors.org:8080/browse/TLM-1 should say something 18:16:39 You're right. we just didn't finish that 18:16:40 like somehow highlighting $1000 18:16:42 OK 18:17:00 But we can get it done on a next version 18:17:12 this one only adds the link 18:17:18 (which opens in a new window) 18:17:49 You can play with it too --> http://ambtest.freedomsponsors.org:8080/browse/TLM-1 18:17:57 I've setup a test account on JIRA: 18:18:10 l / p = jenkins_crew / jenkinsrocks 18:18:13 #info Reading the raw log of the last meeting, I think one of the concerns was the possible stability impact of this to JIRA 18:18:20 just in 18:18:27 But looking at the code, it seems like this isn't a real problem 18:18:41 *just in case 18:18:47 no, its really simple 18:18:59 I don't think it should be that big of an issue, it's pretty non-obtrusive on the test jira of tonylampada's 18:19:14 there's the unrelated issue of freedomsponsors and getting people funds :P 18:19:23 I've made a few changes on FS side so that the link only need the "trackerURL" parameter, and FS will find all bout the issue 18:20:00 #idea I like hare_brain's proposal that we run it for a while and re-evaluate 18:20:19 that sounds good for me 18:20:25 how will we evaluate ? :P 18:20:36 can we get an overview of sponsorships, etc from FS? 18:20:41 Hi 18:20:56 on FS site there's a search feature 18:21:07 you can filter by project 18:21:11 I am integration my project builds to Jenkins 18:21:24 nanna: meeting is in session now, let's hold that off until the meeting is over 18:21:38 If tonylampada can provide any metrics that's awesome 18:21:49 Ok.sorry 18:21:49 otherwise we can just see if anyone has any feelings about it 18:22:16 this is the search page --> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?s=&project_id=46&project_name=Jenkins 18:22:36 providing metrics is easy enough 18:22:42 no problem 18:23:07 is two months good enough trial? 18:23:34 we can communicate via the FS issue tracker if you like 18:23:36 https://github.com/freedomsponsors/www.freedomsponsors.org/issues 18:24:01 kohsuke: that sounds good to me 18:24:07 #agreed we'll install this plugin on JIRA for two months and re-evaluate 18:24:11 or we could use the new jira project kohsuke will add 18:24:30 tonylampada: do I have your e-mail address? 18:24:46 you do, but here you go again tonylampada@gmail.com 18:25:07 Yeah, I do. Got confused a bit by your last name 18:25:09 Thanks 18:25:22 #action kohsuke to install this plugin on JIRA 18:25:36 (YAAAY!) hehehe 18:25:37 tonylampada: good luck to your project. I hope it'll work out 18:25:56 I think that's it for this. moving on... 18:25:56 now, you need an irc bot action to automatically create issues in jira for gov meeting actions :) 18:25:57 Thanks Kohsuke. I hope I can make you rich ;) 18:26:21 * kohsuke remembers W3C meetings used to have a bot called zakim that does that and a lot more 18:26:31 #topic Upcoming event planning and brainstorming 18:26:37 #info https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/jenkinsci-dev/bokUEoheAAs%5B1-25%5D 18:26:42 #info https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/jenkinsci-dev/eFawHz1JWYg%5B1-25%5D 18:26:58 awww yeah 18:27:04 so I think we are officially committing to FOSDEM 18:27:29 I wonder if rtyler or someone else is willing to make sure we won't miss any application deadlines, etc 18:27:37 I'm on the fosdem list already :) 18:27:38 maybe alyssa_ can help? 18:27:43 they're putting out calls in a few weeks 18:27:46 I can be point on that 18:28:00 sure just let me know where and when :o) 18:28:04 #info FOSDEM organization mailing list http://lists.jenkins-ci.org/mailman/listinfo/jenkins-fosdem 18:28:26 abayer: how do you feel about "officially committing" to FOSDEM? 18:28:27 if rtyler is good at not missing deadlines (unlike me!), I think he'll probably enjoy doing it 18:28:41 #info FOSDEM 2013 will be February 2nd and 3rd 18:28:53 rtyler: By end of month I'll be able to commit or not commit. 18:29:06 abayer: I'm talking about as a board member you numby 18:29:09 I can't do both Devoxx and FOSDEM, and if myt alk gets into Devoxx I am going. 18:29:11 for the project 18:29:13 Ohhhh. 18:29:16 Well, then +1000. 18:29:26 whereas committing means at least budgeting some more stickers and some CIA shirts 18:29:33 those numbers we can figure out later 18:29:45 yes, stickers reminds me that we need to order more 18:29:55 as soon as the call for dev rooms is published, I'll coordinate with everybody to get that started 18:30:10 we spent initial allotted $500 and I'm scraping the bottom of a barrel now 18:30:32 kohsuke: let's have another agenda item after ndeloof's and talk about that 18:30:49 no problem 18:30:49 #action rtyler to work on the "Call for Dev Rooms" when it's published 18:31:05 I can have low-cost stickers here (only square ones) if this can help 18:31:27 I also wanted to spend a bit of time getting the feeling about our event roadmap 18:31:29 #action the board to figure out at a later meeting how we can do a travel budget for one or two of our japanese friends to come to FOSDEM 18:32:03 I think we're all in agreement on trying for a dev room, and naturally a stand 18:32:14 re: travel grant for our friends in Tokyo, rtyler generously donated some money for them to subsidize the trip 18:32:23 (kudos to him) 18:32:31 I did? 18:32:36 Yeah, you did 18:33:07 refresh my memory 18:33:08 <_< 18:33:15 rtyler: just cross finger so they won't miss the flight 18:33:29 oh right, thanks kohsuke 18:33:52 I think we have more work and discussion on the mailing list to do to figure out how we'll manage travel grants 18:34:03 but I think we're set on FOSDEM for now, shall we move on? 18:34:14 Did we have a list for FOSDEM? 18:34:18 was it just for 2012? 18:34:22 http://lists.jenkins-ci.org/mailman/listinfo/jenkins-fosdem 18:34:29 it's for every year if we're going to go every year ;) 18:34:40 other events planned for jenkins community ? 18:34:52 ndeloof: I wanted to talk about that, too 18:35:17 #agreed we'll commit to FOSDEM 2012 (by that we mean promote, coordinate, spend some project money, etc.) 18:35:28 #info those who are interested should join http://lists.jenkins-ci.org/mailman/listinfo/jenkins-fosdem 18:35:29 #agreed FOSDEM 2013 too 18:35:31 thank you 18:35:47 yes, and other events 18:36:09 I thought it'd be good to have some things mapped out if we can, because attracting speakers are hard 18:36:33 especially given that CB-sponsored JUC will be once a year 18:36:40 can we change topics for this 18:36:52 OK, what should it be? 18:37:01 why don't you change it with your chair superpower 18:37:04 #topic Jenkins Event Planning/COordination 18:37:27 #idea I thought it'd be good to have some things mapped out if we can, because attracting speakers are hard 18:37:53 #idea but a part of me also wonder if 1 JUC in SF, 1 FOSDEM, and 0.5 Tokyo JUC are about right given our size 18:38:36 aside from that, I think it'd be nice if what lars is doing can be packaged enough to be replicated elsewhere 18:38:51 Selenium people seem to do a better job at that 18:38:57 I can work with french mafia to have a (low-cost) event before devoxx-france (april) 18:39:01 I like the idea from buep or somebody else, making the distinction between conferences and user-events 18:39:22 JUCSF, JUCTokyo, FOSDEM == "Conferences" and have conference level resource committment 18:39:37 anything else can be attached to CIA and be a "user event" and have a different level of resources 18:39:45 agree 18:40:00 we'll send core people to conferences 18:40:14 (for example) 18:40:19 Does what we do in SCALE fit this somewhere? 18:40:27 or maybe it's unique outlier 18:40:35 it's more along the lines of a user event 18:40:45 I think the resource commitment we made for SCALE was really stickers 18:40:51 and then you and I decided to go on our own 18:40:59 and that seems about right 18:41:45 All right, so I guess we'll try to see if some of us are willing to host the user event around the world somewhere 18:41:59 Copenhagen would be a great test, and Bruno would be another, if that works out 18:42:05 * rtyler nods 18:42:20 I've got contacted offline by a big-co in the south bay who sounded like willing to host one 18:42:33 re: Selenium's method of fostering meetups: we're happy to help with that 18:43:00 LisaWells: if you know how they do it and see something we can replicate, I think that'd be great 18:43:23 I wonder if any of us are in China, Korea, or India 18:43:39 I do... and in fact have written a draft blog post I've been meaning to share with you. We (CloudBees) would like to help Jenkins meetups get started all over the world and help provide how-to 18:44:03 I really don't have any insights into the user community there, but our stats numbers seem to indicate that there are a lot of usage over there 18:45:04 #action LisaWells to publish a write up on what we can help to facilitate meet-ups in the meat space 18:45:11 kohsuke: check Sauce's How to Start a Meetup blog here: http://sauceio.com/index.php/2011/10/so-you-want-to-start-a-selenium-meetup-group-now-what/ 18:45:24 and video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXsISciWjtE&feature=plcp 18:45:36 I think it'll come off better if it comes from you the person as opposed to CloudBees 18:45:44 ok, sure 18:45:45 but I can talk to you offline about that 18:45:58 anyway 18:46:33 #action ndeloof volunteered to see if there's any opportunity to organize low-cost "user event" in Devoxx or in Paris 18:46:38 should we move on? 18:46:46 ... unless anyone else wants to add anything? 18:46:59 (and given the time zone no one from Asia is in here) 18:47:23 #topic Documentation of jenkins-admin IRC-bot infra, so that community can manage restart 18:47:37 so there's this action for rtyler to puppetize ircbot and deploy it on our server 18:47:57 jenkins-admin seems to be dead just now 18:48:11 maybe this is a good opportunity to pull in ndeloof to the infra-puppet world? 18:48:50 we also have a bunch of plugins that have been forked without committer Team set, and don't know how to debug this 18:48:59 (github API issue ?) ie, where to find the logs ? 18:50:00 I think we really badly need someone to puppetize this 18:50:16 then the logs and all the other stuff would be available 18:50:21 I'm ok trying to puppetize ircbot, even I don't know much about pupet, but probably comparable to chef 18:50:48 yeah, I basically do monkey-see-monkey-do and let rtyler edit the result to his liking 18:50:51 so far it worked for me 18:51:08 well, it needs to be thrown into a package 18:51:12 that's easy to do with npm 18:51:14 er, fpm 18:51:21 fpm? 18:51:30 if we can package it, then managing it with puppet is easy 18:51:41 kohsuke: https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm/ 18:51:50 simple tool for creating deb and rpms ec 18:52:05 etc* 18:52:07 OK 18:52:28 I know how to do debbuild to package this up to *.deb like I did Confluence 18:52:35 ah, that works too 18:52:36 but it'd take longer for me to do it via fpm 18:52:51 heh, i highly doubt that :P 18:53:03 anyways 18:53:17 if we package up the bot, with a init.d script, managing it becomes much easier 18:53:28 i'm happy to help with debian packaging, if that would help 18:53:55 mika: can I sign you up for this? 18:54:00 the code is in https://github.com/jenkinsci/backend-ircbot 18:54:12 ... which generates jar that can be run as "java -jar ircbot.jar" 18:54:24 kohsuke: i'll figure it out, yes 18:54:26 we just need /etc/init.d/ircbot hook up and log rotation and stuff 18:54:54 #action mika to package https://github.com/jenkinsci/backend-ircbot to deb 18:55:21 #action then ndeloof will attempt puppetizing this 18:55:24 <3 18:55:35 I think it'd be a good driver to debug the infra-puppet hacking readme/instructions 18:55:46 #info puppet module is in https://github.com/jenkinsci/infra-puppet 18:55:46 heh, no kidding 18:55:55 we want more people to be hacking this stuff 18:56:04 * rtyler nods 18:56:25 and I'm pretty sure ndeloof will manage it. I mean, even *I* can do it! 18:56:42 I think that's it for this 18:57:08 :) 18:57:17 if I can get the additional funding of stickers approved quickly, I'd like to get it done now 18:57:35 but I'm OK to push it to the next meeting 18:57:46 agree, people like them ! 18:58:04 Basically my proposal is to spend another $500 to get 2000 more stickers from the same place 18:58:19 #topic New shipment of Jenkins stickers 18:58:28 #idea my proposal is to spend another $500 to get 2000 more stickers from the same place 18:58:37 I'm fine with that, they're good 18:58:46 I know ndeloof has a lot cheaper place to print them, but I don't remember actually seeing them in person 18:58:59 square, booo 18:59:09 rtyler: so you saw them? 18:59:15 well, they're squash 18:59:16 er 18:59:21 square, I know what that looks like :) 18:59:35 LOL 18:59:43 also can get round ones :) but they clearly are not that nice compared to the ones you gave me at JUC 18:59:48 abayer: any thoughts? +1? 18:59:59 I am really partial to the current beautiful die-cut stickers 19:00:17 this time I'll do http://www.stickermule.com/products/kiss-cut-stickers 19:00:27 it still comes off in a die-cut form but the base sheet is square 19:00:30 +1 by me 19:00:32 easier to pack and carry around 19:00:39 kohsuke: yeah, that makes sense 19:00:43 This is what I purchased for JUC Tokyo 19:01:06 http://www.lastickerie.com/stickers/ have 40cm diam round ones, 60ā‚¬ for 1000 19:01:40 #agreed we'll approve another $500 to purchase 2000 stickers 19:02:03 Personally I wouldn't mind approving additional 60 EUR for him to try something like that 19:02:07 I hope it's 40mm, not 40cm, though 19:02:42 you've tried this place before and you are OK with the quality, right? 19:02:43 oups, right ;) 19:03:02 I used them for my JUG and conference 19:03:26 they're mostly ok, just not best quality 19:03:44 I'd say, good enough to put on openspace monitor to show jenkins build status 19:04:12 abayer: any thought? 19:04:26 Not really? =) 19:04:34 can we give that a blessing? 19:04:40 Yup. =) 19:05:10 #agreed make it $600, not $500, and ndeloof will order one from http://www.lastickerie.com/stickers/ on behalf of the community 19:05:12 thank you 19:05:16 #topic next meeting time 19:05:28 in 2 weeks would be ... 19:05:38 Aug 22nd 19:05:51 #info the next meeting time is Aug 22nd, same time as always 19:05:58 I'm okay with that 19:06:12 I'd miss that one as I'll be making a quick trip to Tokyo 19:06:22 OK, I think that's it 19:06:29 Thanks everyone and sorry for running over 19:06:32 #endmeeting