18:00:28 <oleg-nenashev> #startmeeting 18:00:28 <robobutler> Let the Jenkins meeting commence! 18:00:32 * Slide-O-Mix waves 18:00:37 <oleg-nenashev> anyone around? :_ 18:00:45 <Slide-O-Mix> I am 18:01:03 <oleg-nenashev> #info agenda https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Nr8QpqYgBiZjORplL_3Zkwys2qK1vEvK-NYyYa4rzg/edit#heading=h.vylsknw2s91m 18:01:23 <oleg-nenashev> I believe we do not have any action items from the previous meeting 18:01:41 <oleg-nenashev> #topic LTS Baseline selection updates 18:01:52 <oleg-nenashev> #info https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jenkinsci-dev/VRxRCP_IKhQ 18:02:27 <oleg-nenashev> #info 2.222 looks to be a winner, final decision is yet to be made by Oliver Gondza (Jenkins Release officer) 18:02:30 <markewaite> I am here 18:02:42 <oleg-nenashev> any comments about the LTS? 18:02:58 <Slide-O-Mix> So, the main decision is going to be on the mailing list with a ratification from this meeting, or just Oliver? 18:03:06 <markewaite> My testing of 2.222 supports it as a good candidate for LTS 18:03:37 <oleg-nenashev> Kudos to mcirioli timja and many other contributors who delivered JEP-223/224 changes for it (and many other ones) 18:03:50 <oleg-nenashev> Slide-O-Mix: Just Oliver, I believe 18:04:11 <oleg-nenashev> We can do a vote, but I see no reason while there is a consensus 18:04:12 <markewaite> As of now, 3 rollbacks with 50 reports of "No major issues". The one issue report is unclear what concern is being raised 18:04:24 <Slide-O-Mix> Sounds good to me 18:04:48 <markewaite> https://jenkins.io/changelog/#v2.222 is the changelog status link 18:04:58 <oleg-nenashev> #info https://jenkins.io/changelog/#v2.222 18:05:07 <oleg-nenashev> So, moving on? 18:05:22 <Slide-O-Mix> +1 18:05:43 <oleg-nenashev> #topic Terms of service document for IBM Z (s390x) use as ci.jenkins.io agents 18:05:45 <markewaite> +1 18:06:13 <oleg-nenashev> I believe it is rather LinuxOne agreement, right? It is not only about s390x AFAICT 18:06:13 <Slide-O-Mix> Do we have a lawyer anywhere than can review the doc from a legal standpoint to make sure there is nothing we are missing? 18:06:29 <oleg-nenashev> We could ask CDF/LinuxFoundation 18:06:58 <oleg-nenashev> ETA for the response is unclear tho 18:07:16 <Slide-O-Mix> yeah, based on past experience 18:07:18 <markewaite> The agreement is titled "LinuxOne" but as described by Jim Crowley, it applies to s390x only, not to ppc64le. They have provided ppc64le separately without a signed agreement 18:08:28 <markewaite> I don't see significant benefit to asking CDF/LF legal. IBM's legal team has no doubt reviewed in depth when creating it and other projects have signed to use their services. Risk seems quite low to me (but I am not a lawyer) 18:08:51 <Slide-O-Mix> I'm just always afraid there is something I am missing, though I agree that the risk is low 18:09:21 <oleg-nenashev> Basically all the risks are on olblak 18:09:41 <oleg-nenashev> Could we ask the Jenkins IRC Bot sign it? :) 18:09:52 <markewaite> :) 18:09:58 <Slide-O-Mix> Wut? ;-) 18:10:24 <oleg-nenashev> Speaking seriously, I am fine with the agreement as long as olblak or other Jenkins official sign that && they are fine with that 18:10:47 <Slide-O-Mix> I agree 18:11:17 <oleg-nenashev> So, what should we approve markewaite ? 18:11:33 <markewaite> I agree that olblak is first choice to sign. If he's unwilling, I'd be willing to sign as part of my role in the Platform SIG. 18:11:35 <Slide-O-Mix> I think we approve that olblak can sign it without needing a board member 18:11:50 <Slide-O-Mix> or, in lieu of a board member 18:12:39 <oleg-nenashev> +1 for olblak as an Infra officer 18:12:44 <markewaite> I agree with slide. Governance approves that olblak can sign without requiring consultation with CDF legal and without requiring a board member to also sign. 18:13:25 <oleg-nenashev> we can get all board members to sign it if we want to explicitly share the responsibility 18:13:42 <oleg-nenashev> but imho it is an overkill 18:13:49 <rtyler> I don't think it matters so long as there are no external impacts of the agreement 18:13:50 <markewaite> I don't think it is worth that extra effort nor does it significantly change the risk 18:14:06 <rtyler> for example, previous agreements I have signed have included terms that were around marketing and exclusivity 18:14:34 <rtyler> if it's just "terms and conditions to use some machines" and the terms are isolated to simply the use of those machines, then yeah, I agree with Slide-O-Mix and markewaite 18:16:11 <markewaite> As far as I can tell, it is terms and conditions to use some machines. Includes the usual trademark requirement that use of the machines does not grant us rights to use IBM trademarks in promotion or publication without written consent. 18:16:54 <rtyler> yeah, then I think that's fine for olblak to sign off on as an officer 18:17:17 <markewaite> #info document is at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-Ci-zoUGIagyNLbqpgtzLQGPJXesX6VJ 18:18:18 <oleg-nenashev> Let's vote in 5 min so that anyone can read it 18:19:25 <Slide-O-Mix> I've read it, +1 from me 18:19:33 <markewaite> I've read it, +1 from me 18:20:01 <oleg-nenashev> +1 18:21:16 <rtyler> scanned, looks fine 18:23:11 <oleg-nenashev> #agreed that's fine for olblak to sign the contract as an Infra officer 18:23:15 <oleg-nenashev> thanks all 18:23:29 <oleg-nenashev> #topic Depublishing the Jenkins Design Language 2 resource 18:23:46 <Slide-O-Mix> I think this is an easy +1 18:23:54 <oleg-nenashev> So... We just had some of contributors confused this week 18:24:28 <oleg-nenashev> I would like to kill it taking the current Blue Ocean state and the ongoing UX revamp which does NOT use JDL 18:24:49 * rtyler shrugs 18:25:08 <markewaite> +1 from me and agree with the reasons. JDL 2.0 is not likely to release in its current state 18:26:29 <oleg-nenashev> anyone against? 18:26:55 <oleg-nenashev> #info https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jenkinsci-dev/bEriiXYZ0lw 18:26:58 * rtyler shrugs 18:27:12 <oleg-nenashev> +5 in total then 18:27:23 <oleg-nenashev> #agreed R.I.P JDL 2.x 18:27:34 <oleg-nenashev> #action oleg_nenashev to implement the decion 18:27:40 <oleg-nenashev> typos... 18:27:46 <oleg-nenashev> Any other topics for today? 18:28:32 <oleg-nenashev> 1min timeout 18:28:44 <oleg-nenashev> #topic next meeting 18:29:22 <oleg-nenashev> #info Next meeting will be held on Mar 11, 6 PM UTC. usual time 18:29:26 <oleg-nenashev> Thanks all 18:29:30 <oleg-nenashev> #endmeeting