19:01:11 #startmeeting 19:01:11 Let the Jenkins meeting commence! 19:01:37 https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda 19:01:57 #topic recap of actions 19:01:59 https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/MEETING 19:02:49 The travel grant is still running, and we had some large donations from Germany 19:03:32 #info I have to tally this (and send out thank you letter, etc.) but it looks like we have crossed $2000 goal 19:03:46 #chairs rtyler abayer hare_brain 19:04:25 This is probably too late for FOSDEM this year, but if someone is willing to come to SCALE 11x maybe that's a viable thing? 19:05:06 #action kohsuke to update the dev/events list about the travel grant and see the interest 19:05:21 kohsuke: I can't participate today, sorry :( 19:05:27 Oh doh! Project meeting. 19:05:36 I am here. 19:05:40 Thanks. Good. 19:05:52 #topic FOSDEM prep 19:05:55 $WORK is killing me today, I'll catch you guys around later :) 19:06:02 i'll read up later, adios 19:06:06 Bye rtyler 19:06:20 Wimp. We're doing a release right now. :p 19:06:38 #info I shipped about 600 stickers to rtyler and he'll bring them to FOSDEM 19:06:58 #info I'm carrying a Jenkins banner with me and all the recording gears 19:07:23 #info I still have 50 stickers I will bring 19:07:26 The one missing link is the flyer: fredg or orrc is going to print them but I haven't seen confirmation 19:07:55 #info fredg confirmed he's printing the flyers 19:08:04 rtyler sounded like he also wanted to make language pinbadges but not sure the status of it 19:08:29 Is there any plan on Friday dinner? 19:08:58 I'll be there already by then 19:09:09 Not sure when the folks from Berlin (?) are arriving 19:09:38 #action rtyler to do a post on http://jenkins-ci.org/ about planned activities around FOSDEM 19:09:43 Team Germany arrives at 1830 19:10:05 OK, so right in time for a dinner then 19:10:12 Rsandell earlier. We'll organise dinner etc on the mailing list, I think 19:10:24 Great. I'll pay attention 19:11:29 I think that's enough sync up for now without rtyler 19:11:31 We need to draw up a schedule again for manning the stand 19:11:42 ah, yes 19:11:57 I'll update the wiki and send a mail to the list 19:12:14 (I pretty much stayed at the booth all time last year anyway) 19:12:37 #topic European donation status 19:12:42 Well, you have a talk and there's an interesting devroom on Saturday ;) 19:13:09 Yes, agreed we need more planning this year 19:13:40 * kohsuke checks e-mail from ffis-de 19:13:58 So I think basically we need to put http://www.ffis.de/Verein/spenden.html up on our donation page? 19:14:37 Heh, the English version or the German version? 19:14:39 Not sure how to earmark the donation to a particular project 19:14:50 oh there's an English version, I missed that 19:15:10 I see, so the donor has to notify the alias 19:15:10 http://www.ffis.de/Verein/donations.html 19:15:47 In their original mail, I think they said you can put a reference to Jenkins in the payment and/or mail them 19:16:10 Ah, as the web page says 19:16:50 I'm not finding the "mail the check" part in the e-mail 19:17:11 Is anyone willing to donate a small amount to test the process? 19:17:43 #action kohsuke to put http://www.ffis.de/Verein/donations.html into the donation page 19:17:44 Heh, sure. I can do it from my German bank account 19:18:32 You don't have to. In case of SPI, I find it helpful for me to personally know what the experience was like, so I did it 19:18:45 So only if you feel it's useful. 19:19:21 #action kohsuke to ping ffis-de again on the tax status on donation from outside Germany 19:19:29 Cool 19:19:51 shall we move on? 19:20:02 Yup 19:20:06 #topic Authorize another sticker batch purchase of $500 19:20:35 We currently have about 800 on hand (600 of which is in transit to rtyler) 19:21:13 With my tour in next two weeks + FOSDEM. We'll run out by or after SCALE11x in Feb 19:21:28 So I think we should get another batch 19:21:48 2000 of them costs $480 19:21:51 +1 19:22:14 A part of me wonders if we should start creating something else or maybe a different design? 19:22:46 ... except obviously I don't have anyone who can create something else 19:22:53 Take a look through Shutterfly's product catalog. See if there's anything that might be interesting. I can get things made at a discounted rate. 19:23:21 * kohsuke goes look 19:23:25 One drawback is most of our stuff is themed. We couldn't do plain stickers, for example. 19:23:48 Another idea was pinbadges. I think imod and orrc had some 19:23:54 I guess those are popular in Europe? 19:24:10 Actually I take that back: http://www.shutterfly.com/cards-stationery/stickers/basic-stickers?productCode=1080236&categoryCode=1076948&skuCode=1080237 19:25:39 I did think of getting small 1" pin badges made, with the Jenkins head shot, plus maybe blue/yellow/red balls or the weather icons :) 19:25:45 24 stickers for $8 is tad expensive compared to stickermule 19:25:54 I get a 35% discount 19:25:55 ... unless there's a volume discount 19:26:03 calculator, where are you 19:26:12 kohsuke: There might be some non-profits out there which will do the printing for cheap... but there is some legwork to be done to find one. 19:26:16 2000 stickers would cost $378. 19:26:52 (2000 / 24 ) * 6.99 * 0.65 19:27:04 That's a handsome price 19:27:24 Wait though. 19:27:33 Are you seeing $8 for a set or 24? 19:27:35 set of 24 19:27:57 Majost: it might be worth asking stickermule if they are willing to give us some discounts 19:27:57 (I'm seeing $6.99) 19:28:06 (trying to roll like rtyler) 19:28:54 hah 19:28:59 actually, shutterfly has 1.75"x1.75", so at that size stickermule still beats it ($300 for 2000 at 2"x2") 19:29:55 Hahaha, you're comparing cost per square inch? ;) 19:30:12 hare_brain: no, different sticker size has different price in stickermule 19:30:35 in the past we made 3"x3" but if we make 2"x2" it'd still come out cheaper 19:31:06 All right, I say let's get the stickers made anyway --- our current run rate is about 2000 in 7 months or so. 19:31:09 It's fine with me. I was just offering my employee discount if there's anything you like. 19:31:20 And let's solicit feedback on what else to make in the future 19:31:48 Sounds good. In any case, the current stickers are excellent 19:32:24 #action kohsuke to reorder the stickermule batch, but let's see if they can cut us some slack 19:32:59 #action kohsuke to write a post soliciting new ideas for the give-aways 19:33:17 #topic SSL certificate renewal 19:33:44 It's going to expire in 3 weeks, so I can't really postpone this much further 19:33:52 but rtyler isn't here. 19:34:24 I guess if I don't forget to talk to him about this in FOSDEM it'll still make it 19:35:01 #action kohsuke to try to shake down GoDaddy for discounts since they are Jenkins users 19:35:19 What's the issue with the renewal? Just the cost? 19:35:56 We could just renew our current 2 certs, but in the last meeting we discovered that we can get a single wildcard license more cheaply 19:36:00 plus it covers more domains 19:36:16 OTOH there was a concern that it was less secure (to share multiple hosts use the same private key) 19:36:19 not as secure 19:37:01 Majost: is it so bad that you wouldn't recommend it? 19:37:18 It's just $100 or so difference / year, so one might say it's not that much of a big deal either way... 19:37:24 when i've done that i put the cert on a single apache reverse proxy in front of all the real web services, so there was only one copy of the cert 19:37:45 kpfleming: that won't work for us because we can't have this single reverse proxy carry all the traffic 19:37:51 too bad 19:37:52 IMO, a little extra security is worth $100 a year. 19:38:07 It's not so bad in the sense that you are not selling stuff, and don't need to worry about sensitive info 19:38:38 however, for the repo -- I wouldn't use a wildcard personally. 19:38:51 OK. I think it's just me pushing for wildcard cert 19:39:10 so I'll go with the two separate certs for two machines like we do today 19:39:26 The worst thing is the expiration like it happened two years ago 19:39:53 #agreed we'll keep our current two independent SSL certs on two machines 19:40:19 #topic next meeting 19:41:04 So the next one will be March 6th the same time 19:41:09 +1 19:41:28 I'll be flying around that time 19:41:42 so I won't be able to attend, just FYI 19:41:46 Is two weeks still a good cadence? 19:41:54 march or february? 19:42:00 kpfleming: march 19:42:09 ? 19:42:20 Did we change the meeting frequency and I forgot? 19:42:24 wait 19:42:26 sorry, Feb 19:42:28 kk: do you need me to bring anything for you guys at scale? 19:42:50 Majost: if possible, monitors would be very helpful just like the last year 19:42:58 np 19:43:25 hare_brain: I think I prefer having shorter meeting every 2 weeks to resolve stuff in a timely fashion 19:43:37 I think you are right that lately we don't really need a whole hour 19:43:47 OK sounds good. 19:44:03 #agreed next meeting will be March 6th same time 19:44:43 and just for the record I really mean to send in the concrete proposal for board election to end this major AI 19:44:46 #endmeeting