18:01:26 #startmeeting 18:01:26 Let the Jenkins meeting commence! 18:01:36 #chair hare_brain abayer rtyler 18:01:36 Current chairs: abayer hare_brain kohsuke rtyler 18:02:06 #info https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda 18:02:19 #topic Recap last meeting action items 18:02:32 #info http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2012/jenkins.2012-03-21-18.00.html 18:02:49 abayer: hare_brain: I still need your PGP public key 18:03:02 You have one, right? 18:03:14 Somewhere. Will find it. 18:03:41 Please, please, pretty please. 18:03:51 can you please recap the process to send iCLA ? 18:03:59 Yes 18:04:25 #info the most of the information for filing CLA is in here: https://github.com/jenkinsci/infra-cla/ 18:04:31 I actually don't have one. I need to create one for myself. 18:04:39 (But dealing with some company drama today.) 18:05:11 #info The only error prone part is that Google Groups apparently have some size restriction about attachments 18:05:21 I got a number of reports from people who said their submissions were rejected 18:05:53 #info Another alternative is to submit your encrypted CLA as pull request as fredg did: https://github.com/jenkinsci/infra-cla/pull/1 18:06:24 geeks at work ;) 18:06:57 #info Also, I believe we'd like to collect ICLA even when your employer signs CCLA 18:07:14 I'm looking at ndeloof stephenc rcampbell and rtyler 18:07:37 and jorgenpt 18:07:43 I have it on my desktop, just have to prepare a pull-request 18:07:53 Why? 18:08:03 That could be confusing 18:08:51 OK, I'm happy to stand corrected, but I thought we won't know if the contribution comes from someone's company time or someone's personal time? 18:09:29 not sure about legals, for French folks everything you do even on spare time MAY be claimed by your company 18:09:58 Yeah, for folks where it can be distinguished like that, it's fine, but I don't think it can be a blanket policy. 18:10:50 I'd like to ensure we get CCLA for contributors, prior to ICLA, if possible 18:10:54 OK, so I guess we'll say something like "if you'd be contributing your own intellectual property as an individual, you should file ICLA, regardless of whether you'll be also contributing IP of your employer as an employee" 18:11:06 Is that accurate? 18:11:25 Yes, I think that's right. 18:11:50 I'm fine with that, as I'm not a lawyer ;) 18:11:57 I think the part I really care about is that ICLA and CCLA are independent. Your employer having CCLA in place doesn't automatically mean you don't need ICLA 18:12:09 That's correct. 18:12:11 right 18:12:16 OK, I'll add it to this readme markdown 18:12:38 Something along the lines of... 18:12:51 #action kohsuke to mail sticker batches to abayer and rtyler 18:13:45 And rtyler already posted http://jenkins-ci.org/content/announcing-jenkins-cia 18:14:01 "If you will be contributing IP of your employer to the project, you need to file a CCLA. If you will be contributing your own IP, you need to file an ICLA. Depending on where you work, your employer may own IP you develop on your personal time. Please verify with your employer to make sure you sign the correct form." 18:14:22 OK 18:14:38 I'll use that verbatim 18:14:49 I think that's it for the recap of actions 18:15:05 #topic Move plugin CI jobs to jenkins.ci.cloudbees.com 18:15:39 ndeloof: that's yours 18:15:47 jieryn asked for a FOSS account on cloudbees as an alternative to ci.jenkins-ci.org 18:15:50 https://jenkins.ci.cloudbees.com/ 18:16:08 I've configured some jobs to mimic JoJ 18:16:26 it uses templates plugin (from cloudbees) 18:16:28 ah, nice. it's templated 18:16:37 so that plugin author only have to provide plugin ID 18:17:03 ie : create a new job with type "plugin" and provide "git" -> full maven job to poll github/jenkinsci/git-plugin 18:17:07 and it's also hooke up to github hook trigger 18:17:27 right, the template can be upgraded to include some new common config 18:17:31 and all jobs get updated 18:17:43 How do we add people to this instance? 18:17:45 same for libraries : provide repo ID + branch to monitor 18:17:55 Or maybe we'll just set them up from ircbot? 18:18:07 that's my plan 18:18:16 instance is publicly visible read-only 18:18:20 perhaps we can have a backend bot that auto-create them from *-plugin in github? 18:18:40 we can give access for those who have a cloudbees account (it's free, it don't hurt) 18:18:53 nice idea 18:19:05 I'll first look at including this on irc bot 18:19:21 when automation will be ok, we could make it even simpler 18:19:22 thanks 18:19:35 only one issue, 18:19:57 plugin have to follow the *-plugin convention 18:20:19 https://github.com/jenkinsci/seleniumhtmlreport don't 18:20:26 (the only one) 18:20:46 I also will look at a template for ruby-based plugins 18:21:06 (so that rtyler also gets notification mail) 18:21:13 thanks 18:21:53 abayer: anything you'd like to see before we offload plugin builds over to this? 18:21:55 hehe 18:22:13 I've sent a mail to Marco Machmer to rename his repo, to conform to *-plugin convention 18:22:13 AFAICT it's already on per with ci.jenkins-ci.org plugin builds 18:22:16 no answer yet 18:22:46 if you don't hear from him we can just do it. 18:23:11 I also created jobs for core 18:23:27 we can use template as well if we want to monitor new branches 18:23:33 (as UI work for example) 18:23:57 by chance, DEV@Cloud takes ~ same time to build as JoJ 18:24:06 was not sure before trying ;) 18:24:18 let's see if it can tolerate -Dconcurrency=2 18:24:30 good point, will try that 18:24:35 just scheduled one 18:24:53 I have this plugin that lets us do pull request scout testing 18:25:04 I wonder if we can deploy it here? Is it hard to do one off plugin deployments? 18:25:12 so the proposal as a first step is to move plugin builds to cloudbees and create the required automation for new plugins -> jobs 18:25:50 +1 18:26:07 I don't think it would be an issue, will test it. Which plugin is it ? 18:26:20 I'll talk to you offline. It's not OSS. 18:26:28 i just locked myself out of jenkins while trying to create a dev group that could read; how can i return my permissions? 18:26:29 ;P 18:26:48 asteve: let's get to it after the project meeting that's currently in session 18:26:49 how do I run a shell script as a post-build action? 18:26:58 ndeloof: What are the limits of this instance? Are we worried we'll at some point overload it? 18:27:06 ndeloof: There are, what, 400 plugins? 18:27:28 closer to 500 18:27:29 this is a FOSS "special" account 18:27:37 heh 18:27:40 you won't see the pricing on cloudbees doc :) 18:27:51 the build limit is amazon datacenter size 18:28:00 Does that mean that it's up to cloudbees' discretion when they no longer want to throw resources at us? 18:28:42 I guess so. But that's true for most of what we get for free. 18:28:43 strictly speaking, you're right 18:29:14 anyway, from all jobs you can pick-up the config.xml (form URL) and build a new CI on another infra in few hours if needed 18:29:26 Okay, I thought most the resources we had for free were given certain (known) bounds. :) 18:29:35 Easier to plan when you know what kind of ceiling is in place. 18:30:10 kohsuke: for the saucelabs account, john gave me some good "guidelines" for how much to use and when ;) 18:30:17 perhaps CB could/should do something similar ;) 18:30:23 I can ask 18:30:48 I don't think I'll get a better response that just "go, go go" 18:30:52 But great on CB for providing this resource, this is really nice. :) 18:31:10 https://jenkins.ci.cloudbees.com/builds says there's something wrong with seleniumhtmlreport 18:31:23 executed excessively freuqnetly 18:31:41 oh yes, I didn't disabled it 18:32:01 it's trying to poll seleniumhtmlreport-plugin repo that doesn't exist 18:32:18 ah 18:32:25 I have to enable the github hook 18:32:33 "polliong must die", don't you think ;) 18:32:40 exactly 18:32:49 Looks like you have it enabled to me, though 18:33:27 need jenkins-admin credentials on https://jenkins.ci.cloudbees.com/configure to create the hook 18:33:47 I configured my credentials, but I'm not admin on github/jenkinsci so can't register hooks 18:33:54 OK, let's take those details after the meeting then 18:33:58 right 18:34:06 You should use jenkins-admin GitHub user we use for this stuff 18:34:21 indeed 18:34:28 Anything that needs to be done before shelving plugin jobs on ci.jenkins-ci.org? 18:34:40 I want to get ack from abayer, too 18:34:59 hey all 18:35:05 I can manage job creation on-demand until we get an bot automation 18:35:22 and just have to enable the adequate plugins to have irc notification, etc 18:35:25 I have been having an issue with Jenkins for a while now and can't seem to scratch the surface on how to fix it 18:35:26 ndeloof: and we should add a bunch of us as users so that we can all do it, too 18:35:30 I get this error 18:35:31 SubversionRepositoryStatus doNotifyCommit, WARNING: No subversion jobs found…. I can't figure out how to fix this… because I obviously have subversion jobs - basically trying to do a post hook commit 18:35:42 Diverious: let's hold off on that until the current project meeting in session is over. 18:35:51 And let's move on to the next topic and abayer can ack later 18:35:54 oh sorry 18:36:05 #topic ask for FOSS JProfiler licenses 18:36:09 right, just have to send me the email you used to create a cloudbees account, 18:36:25 #info http://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource 18:36:47 We do have YourKit Java Profiler OSS license 18:36:58 right, 18:37:07 But sure, why not, let's get all the freebies! 18:37:09 just noticed codehaus offered both 18:37:22 maybe some of us are used with JProfiler (seems to be a nice tool as well) 18:38:05 ndeloof: would you like to fill this in and get it going? 18:38:16 looks like it's just a matter of filing a request 18:38:40 And I think we can consider this blessed unless someone has an issue with this 18:39:00 or if you want me to do it, I can do it, too 18:39:01 I think they also ask for sponsor logo 18:39:25 We've been putting them in https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Building+Jenkins 18:39:49 I think it satisfies their requirements 18:39:55 ok 18:40:02 argh, nofollow 18:40:08 I can request free license 18:41:11 hmm, on Wiki I don't think we have means to disable nofollow link 18:41:27 I guess I can write a macro or a plugin 18:42:01 Agreement on this ? 18:42:09 #action kohsuke to write a Confluence macro to have link to JProfiler 18:42:10 +1 18:42:27 * kohsuke hopes others will +1 too 18:42:29 +1 18:43:09 #agreed we'll request an OSS license for JProfiler 18:43:12 #action ndeloof to ask for JProfiler licenses http://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource 18:43:30 shall we move on to next topic? 18:43:43 #topic Migrate plugins to get rid of glassfish repo 18:43:54 imod around ? 18:44:01 And my +1 for this, too 18:44:21 the only thing I wasn't sure about is how to write a script to do this 18:44:36 I vonlunteer to do it 18:45:01 AIU, this basically involves in adding a / entry 18:45:09 and removing m.g.o-public if there's one already 18:45:24 you'll do it by hand? There are 400 of those 18:45:31 I planned on my TODO list to try repo SCM tool and create a manifest for all jenkins repos 18:45:37 this is time to do it 18:45:40 Can't you do that in the parent pom and just bump the version of the parent pom? 18:45:48 and then some funny scripting 18:46:01 hare_brain: parent POM has already fixed this, but bumping it means you now depend on newer Jenkins version 18:46:02 this is already set in plugin pom for recent releases 18:46:15 Ah, fair enough. 18:46:16 but many plugin use old jenkins/plugin pom as parent 18:46:28 ndeloof: OK, great to hear that you got an idea to automate this 18:46:51 I saw a number of people already who tried to build a plugin and failed, so I'd love to see this resolved. 18:47:01 please note : on https://jenkins.ci.cloudbees.com I used a custom settings.xml to mirror m.g.o-public on repo.jenkins-ci.org 18:47:19 I think aheritier was also advocating for this, if I remember correctly. 18:47:25 indeed 18:48:08 Unfortunately today I don't think we have too many people here, so I suggest ndeloof to write an e-mail to the dev list about this and get a few +1s before starting this. 18:48:19 But here's my +1 18:48:31 ok 18:49:17 So that brings me to the last topic, next time, and today there's actually something I'd like to propose for that 18:49:23 Can we move on from this topic? 18:49:38 #topic next meeting time 18:50:15 We touched on this briefly the last time, about time zone being Asia unfriendly in the context of JUC Tokyo related stuff 18:50:32 So I asked those folks in Tokyo when they can make it 18:50:42 and I was asked to report back with ... 18:51:17 Friday night Pacific Time, Saturday noon-ish Tokyo time 18:51:36 I'm lame, so that would probably work for me :P 18:51:53 This is just one off. I'm not suggesting that we move it permanently to a new time 18:52:43 The 2nd alternative for them is some other DoW, but noon-1pm Tokyo time 18:53:02 a monday or tuesday night would work for me 18:53:20 ... the reason being that their company won't allow this kind of stuff on their work time. 18:53:44 But noon-1pm is a lunch break, so it can be made to work. For some. 18:54:02 5am on my time, probably will not be online (until my baby wake me up) 18:54:04 Both time slot is totally unfriendly for Europe 18:54:16 if that's a significant hurdle, why not make sure it's saturday or sunday for them 18:54:33 Yeah, so that's why I said Friday night PT is the 1st choice 18:54:45 I'm okay with that 18:54:58 What time does that map to in the Pacific TZ? 8? 9? 18:54:59 I can do either, so I want to get the sense from others 18:55:00 kohsuke: we could just use the 21st Amendment wifi and have a drink-up too ;) 18:55:14 If this is Friday night we can be somewhat flexible 18:55:36 It could be 5-10pm range in PT 18:55:56 I suspect they'd like us do it earlier so that we don't land in the middle of Saturday 18:55:58 9 works better than 8, for me personally. But on the whole, Friday night is fine for me. 18:56:00 rtyler: that's awesome 18:56:07 abayer: ping 18:56:09 after 7pm for me preferably, what with dinner and commute 18:56:23 I suspect most others have the same kind of "requirements" :) 18:56:38 Urm…Friday's not great for me in general, but I can try to make 9pm. 18:56:52 game night? 18:56:53 Yeah, OK, let's do 9pm for this once then 18:57:31 Two weeks from now? 18:58:05 That's 20th but I don't know where I am that time 18:58:13 could be over Colorado or somewhere 18:58:26 Different Friday then? 18:58:26 Would 13th or 27th work? 18:58:49 Checking 19:00:08 Bah. My calendar keeper went idle. 19:00:13 I think the 13th is fine. 19:00:44 Great. 19:01:05 rtyler: abayer: ? 19:01:13 Tentative yes. 19:01:36 OK, then let's shoot for that. 19:01:44 Thanks for being accomodating 19:01:53 =) 19:02:20 I'm down for whatever 19:02:23 #agreed next meeting is 13th Friday 9pm PST / 14th Sat 1pm Japan Time / 6am Sat Paris Time 19:02:33 and that's it 19:02:44 #endmeeting