19:01:36 #startmeeting 19:01:36 Let the Jenkins meeting commence! 19:01:48 #chair hare_brain rtyler 19:01:48 Current chairs: hare_brain kohsuke rtyler 19:01:59 #chair abayer 19:01:59 Current chairs: abayer hare_brain kohsuke rtyler 19:02:09 #info agenda: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda#GovernanceMeetingAgenda-Nov30thMeeting 19:02:14 kohsuke: This enough of a trace? Shit - don't start the meeting yet. :) https://gist.github.com/1410322 19:02:16 #topic Recap last meeting action items 19:02:30 this is kohsuke, kutzi and vjuranek 19:02:33 * rtyler steps back 19:02:48 I think I created the board alias 19:02:57 #info last meeting notes http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2011/jenkins.2011-11-09-19.00.html 19:02:57 I'll double check and do so during this meeting if I haven't 19:03:18 Contacting SPI, still TODO. 19:03:28 LTS RC has been respined 19:03:57 And I did get the report of failing tests from hare_brain but I don't think I did from imod, kutzi, and Majost 19:04:22 I reported to you, that I was not able to reproduce these 19:04:31 Ah, that's right. my bad. 19:04:44 And for vjuranek, 1.424 LTS test wiki page is https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/LTS+1.424.x+RC+Testing 19:05:14 I also wonder if abayer had heard back from GitHub about a private repository to host CLAs? 19:05:18 yup, wiki created, test done 19:05:27 (technically it's not listed in this action items) 19:05:35 kohsuke: Ack, yes, I did. ksawicki had another suggestion, but I forgot to reply. Will pick that up again. 19:05:43 cool 19:05:49 abayer: #action for this meeting then? 19:06:11 'k 19:06:44 ... 19:06:52 Sorry, doing like five things at once. =) 19:06:53 #action abayer to pick up GitHub private repository conversation for CLA 19:06:57 heh 19:06:59 abayer: noted 19:07:07 I think that's it for the actions 19:07:20 #topic infra update from rtyler 19:07:42 so 19:07:43 where to start 19:07:55 #info Tonight there will be an hour or so downtime of cucumber.jenkins-ci.org 19:08:03 which is because the NIC and riser card arrived 19:08:14 which means we'll be getting proper automated offsite backups of that machine being done 19:08:22 instead of the ad-hoc crap I'm doing currently <_< 19:08:38 yay 19:08:49 #info After backups are running, we need to perform another major downtime of cucumber.jenkins-ci.org to do an OS upgrade 19:09:11 we're currently using a version of Ubuntu that's not even under LTS anymore, which is bad news bears 19:09:48 #info I (rtyler) have started discussions with Contegix to spin off the hosting account for cucumber off of my personal account with Contegix 19:09:54 which would be owned by the SPI 19:10:11 I think that's it, any infra questions I can answer before we move on? 19:10:31 any more mirrors needed? 19:10:53 not as far as I can tell, if we need more it might be to increase the mix of european mirrors 19:11:02 we had some hiccups with our german mirror recently 19:11:12 not /pressing/, it fits under "nice to have" :) 19:11:22 does anyone have an update on the infra-fundraiser? 19:11:33 kohsuke: want to speak to that? 19:11:37 ok, if so just screen :) 19:11:54 orrc: let me check 19:12:09 I don't think we've received any additional donation for a while 19:12:29 So it's still more or less at $4040 19:12:32 #action rtyler to post a christmas donation beg-fest post to the blog 19:12:51 shall I continue? 19:13:01 please 19:13:01 that fits somewhat with our next topic :) 19:13:09 #topic SCALE10x plans for Jenkins 19:13:31 #info Jenkins has been allowed to be an exhibitor at SCALE 10x on Jan 20-22 http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/jenkins-ci 19:13:49 #info SCALE is the Southern California Linux Expo, it's a very large expo and conference in LA 19:14:04 we don't really have any "booth gear" 19:14:21 we will get a table though 19:14:29 so we can set up just about whatever to show off 19:14:43 oh 19:14:50 #info rtyler will be attending 19:14:52 :) 19:15:03 #info I'll be attending too 19:15:09 And I can bring stickers 19:15:25 I'm not sure if abayer or hare_brain will be able to attend 19:15:33 any other California Jenkins folks we can rope in? 19:15:46 I guess we'll bring a computer as a demo machine? 19:16:07 well, if we road trip it, I have a couple extra computers I could bring and at least two extra monitors 19:16:21 a little demo cluster with maybe xfpanel plugin + builders would be neat :) 19:16:29 sounds fun 19:16:42 last year connectivity to the booths was *good* but it'll be better to be prepared if it's not 19:16:44 I cannot go that weekend. 19:17:12 I think we need a blog post about this to solicit other so-cal people to join us 19:17:24 #action rtyler to work out potential road-trip/carpool plans for Bay Area people 19:17:29 will there be any jenkins talks? 19:17:47 hokatichenci: unfortunately not, the CFP ended shortly after they invited us :P 19:17:53 Where in LA is this? 19:17:59 Majost: right outside of LAX 19:18:15 #action rtyler to write blog post to solicit California Jenkins people to join us at SCALE 19:18:22 Nice! So it's right next to my offices! 19:18:34 #info Majost has been volunteered as well 19:18:50 Maybe we can plan some get-together as well? 19:18:52 haha 19:19:03 kohsuke: another CI Dinner? :) 19:19:07 yeah 19:19:11 might be difficult, there's stuff going on all the nights really 19:19:17 saturday night is the keysigning party IIRC 19:19:17 Count me in 19:19:19 and other drinks 19:19:32 I know of some good places for beers too. 19:19:42 #action kohsuke to ponder a CI Dinner or something along those lines for SCALE 19:19:52 great 19:19:57 may I move on? 19:20:01 yeah 19:20:07 #topic Jenkins at FOSDEM 2012 19:20:21 #info FOSDEM is a big deal 19:20:42 #info Deadline to apply for a table at FOSDEM is Dec. 13th 19:20:52 #info Deadline for lightning talks at FOSDEM is Dec. 13th 19:21:21 #info Many of the devrooms are currently soliciting for speakers/presentations right now http://www.fosdem.org/2012/devrooms_for_2012 19:21:27 z00dax6: pipe up :) 19:21:37 aheritier: you're also going to FOSDEM yes? :) 19:21:45 Project jenkins_main_trunk build #1,330: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/1330/ 19:21:46 Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [FIXED JENKINS-11714] Fixed the problem in the find command operator priority. 19:22:02 Starting build 1,331 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1329 17 hr ago) 19:22:06 Ssh. We're in a meeting. 19:22:29 jenkinsci_builds and I are the only ones saying anything , does that count as a meeting? :) 19:22:42 I'll come too, if you think I'll be of any help 19:22:50 I should be at FOSDEM 19:22:57 I wonder if kutzi, drulli, gboissinot, etc might be interested in talking 19:23:05 rtyler: Fosdem tends to be a good place to engage with people who are in turn doing development work on open source projects. 19:23:06 or orrc :-) 19:23:08 imod: I think going to FOSDEM is it's own reward, regardless of whether we do anything :) 19:23:21 okay, how about this 19:23:27 and there will be a fair few people there, it might actually be the largest open source centric, non commercial get together anywhere 19:23:38 I propose we apply for a Jenkins stand at FOSDEM 19:23:41 I'm sorry, but I can't attend 19:23:48 having a Jenkins specific talk would definitely be good 19:24:29 rtyler: ok, so count me in :) 19:24:45 * rtyler speaks up a bit 19:24:47 I propose we apply for a Jenkins stand at FOSDEM 19:24:48 When/where is FOSDEM specifically? 19:24:58 abayer: 4-5 Feb. Brussels 19:25:13 #info FOSDEM 2012 is Feb 4-5th in Brussels, Belgium 19:25:31 ( which is a weekend ) 19:25:32 'k. I think I have coworkers going, but I'm probably traveled out. I'll check if I can get cloudera to pay, though. If so… =) 19:25:56 kohsuke: I think meetbot needs a #poll action 19:26:05 I PROPOSE WE APPLY FOR A JENKINS STAND AT FOSDEM 19:26:12 rtyler: go for it :) 19:26:13 * rtyler pokes all the euros 19:26:28 Sounds good to me, assuming we can get at least a few people willing to take turns manning it. =) 19:26:33 exactly 19:26:35 Yeah, I think we need someone in Europe to drive it. 19:27:06 if I'm flying in, then I will only be able to bring one extra laptop for display purposes 19:27:23 which means having somebody local to help man the booth and set up demos would be valuable 19:27:37 sure I'll helpout 19:27:40 kohsuke: can you ping some of the cloudbees in europe to see if they'll join in? 19:27:47 ndeloof seems fun :) 19:27:59 #action kohsuke to write to a few contacts to see if they'd be willing 19:28:04 #action rtyler to apply for a Jenkins stand at FOSDEM 19:28:27 alright, I give up, next topic :) 19:28:30 all you kohsuke 19:28:32 I wonder if another call for help post for this is in order, similar to SCALE 10x 19:28:39 aye 19:28:46 #action rtyler to write blog post for help with FOSDEM 19:28:55 * rtyler is racking up the action items :/ 19:29:03 #topic Jenkins CIA program 19:29:42 So one of the lessons for me (and I've heard from others in the CB booth as well) during JavaOne is that there are many people still haven't heard about Jenkins 19:30:07 So people suggested that we should do some evangelism effort 19:30:51 And around the same time, I got the extra Jenkins stickers and people seem to like those 19:31:02 ooo, I need those. 19:31:04 my daily business at work :) 19:31:04 I would gladly help but I'm not exactly a Jenkins guru and therefore not really useful 19:31:05 heh 19:31:15 tbb: guru status not necessary 19:31:42 So one of the idea that's tossed around is to help non-gurus in the community to spread the words by arming them with ... 19:32:05 guns 19:32:07 lots of guns 19:32:08 STICKERS \o/ 19:32:13 some standard slide deck that they can use to introduce Jenkins, we'll send stickers so that they can hand them out, and 19:32:22 maybe a T-shirt for the person himself 19:32:34 #info CIA == CI Ambassador 19:32:47 rtyler said OpenSUSE does something like this and call it street teams 19:32:55 my company has about 3000 dev's and not too many know CI yet…. this would definitely help 19:32:57 pelegri told me that OpenSolaris used to do this, too. 19:32:58 openSUSE actually calls them ambassadors 19:33:09 Oh, then CIA is perfect 19:33:14 #info openSUSE has a very good model (IMHO) to check out for their Ambassador program 19:33:31 #info the openSUSE Greek Ambassador community is of particular interest 19:33:37 Yeah, I thought CIA with a fake Central Intelligence Agency logo would be fun 19:33:49 the ambassadors programs in various linux distro's has been a hit/miss situation - but it definitely gives people the sense of involvement, and they have a specific agenda and purpose 19:33:51 A standard slide deck would also help for introducing Jenkins within a company. 19:33:53 Put dark glasses and an earpiece on the butler. 19:33:54 We can have a world map with pins showing which cities have been conquered 19:34:05 heh 19:34:18 the CIA name has certainly grown on me since you first pitched it kohsuke 19:34:21 hare_brain: I like that idea 19:34:28 b2jrock: totally 19:34:46 the CIA logo is not as good known in europe though 19:34:55 #action a standard "intro to jenkins" slide deck should be created 19:35:04 So I guess I was curious whether some people here would be willing to be our CIA agent if we do all those 19:35:20 The idea is to go to some local meetups and present Jenkins, and we'll help 19:35:23 I'm willing to help organize such a program as part of my regular evangelism duties 19:35:32 sure I would 19:35:54 kohsuke: why don't we plan/prepare this stuff during Dec. 19:36:01 then try to launch the program in 2012 before SCALE 19:36:15 sure 19:36:25 slide deck, X many stickers and blammo you're part of the CIA 19:36:33 keep us unto date and let us know if you need help 19:36:39 No background check? ;) 19:36:41 maybe t-shirts for those who organize meetups or go speak at UGs? 19:36:53 @rtyler : not yet sure but I will try 19:37:35 Yes, I'll check with the usual sponsor. I think agent only T-shirts would be a great incentive 19:38:09 #action rtyler, kohsuke, and imod to try to plan/prepare the program during Dec, before SCALE 19:38:14 I think that's it on this. 19:38:21 moving on 19:38:22 \o 19:38:31 What help do you need for SCALE? 19:38:37 Majost: we'll discuss later 19:38:40 np 19:38:45 #topic LTS 19:38:53 * rtyler pokes vjuranek 19:38:57 #info https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/LTS+1.424.x+RC+Testing 19:39:13 so, from my point of view tests are done, we can release 1.424.1 19:39:31 +1 19:39:39 #info https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jenkinsci-dev/nMg36fR_QFA 19:39:42 hi there. I just setup a rather complex project that has many intermodule dependencies. Often times downstream projects will fail to compile without any code changes in them. No blame emails get sent, and the console (while it has the compile message) has no commit information. 19:39:47 as I mentioned on dev list, other backports should IMHO go to 1.424.2 19:39:52 +1 19:40:05 +1 19:40:13 swankier: we're right in the middle of a meeting, give us a few minuts to finish this off 19:40:40 ….if we get pull 316 into 1.424.2 :) 19:40:56 OK, so I think we have a consensus for 1.424.1. It's a GO 19:41:18 yessir 19:41:24 Any objections? 19:41:44 FIRE ZE MISSILES! 19:41:56 #agreed 1.424.1 will ship as it is now, and other fixes will be in 1.424.2 19:42:22 I haven't really read pull #316 yet, but does it have security implications beyond m2release? 19:42:38 no, its only for the m2release 19:42:44 maybe I should contact James offline to understand it better 19:43:05 although it opens other possibilities for plugins too 19:43:08 Because I believe we've been refraining from adding new APIs in LTS intentionally 19:43:22 Anyway, I think I'm probably side tracking 19:43:28 I understand, but this one is really a bummer 19:43:34 OK 19:43:52 (james is kicking around) 19:44:40 teilo_: if you can hang around for 10 more minues, maybe we can wrap up this meeting first and then talk about it? 19:44:43 Settle on next meeting and wrap? 19:44:44 (offline is good - As I will want you to change hat also) 19:44:59 teilo_: ok, will do. 19:45:09 hare_brain: yes 19:45:14 #topic next meeting 19:45:24 one more before the new year! 19:45:45 14th? 19:45:54 +1 19:46:06 I'm down 19:46:33 #agreed next meeting will be Dec 14th, same time as this week 19:46:44 and I think that's it. 19:46:47 Looking at next year, if we go back to our original biweekly schedule, the first meeting would be on the 4th. Not sure everyone would be back by then. 19:47:10 So it seems like we're on a new two-week schedule following today and the 14th, then probably the 11th is the first meeting of the new year. 19:47:19 * rtyler nods 19:47:34 sounds good 19:47:40 Everyone reset their recurring meetings. ;) 19:47:41 bring us home kk 19:48:06 OK, thanks for everyone (and in particular vjuranek for the hard work on LTS) 19:48:11 #endmeeting